Reblogged from doyouevenliberty
yeah just forget all the people in the world that have been killed by people in the name of religion. This poster is moronic
I think the point is that Communism sucks
Communism has a body count per year which exceeds that of religion by no minuscule amount. And in just 100 years, it has outdone at least 1000 years of religious wars.
Also, the majority of religious wars were the result of the manipulation by govt or religious leadership, with an obvious exception of [Political] Islam’s oldschool takeover of most of Western Asia and Southern Europe and The Crusades, which started out as a response to the former.
Really? This argument again? You red diaper doper babies will just never face up to reality, will you?
“Religious war, specifically Christian war, has killed more people than any other kind of war.”
Let’s just start from relatively recent times. And let’s discuss those wars that were not waged in the name of religion, but were actually waged by “the enlightened,” in the name of “freedom for the people.”
18th Century Slave Trade:
· Atlantic slave trade: ca. 5,000,000 transported and 8,100,000 died.
· Islamic slave trade: ca. 1,300,000 transported and 2,000,000 died.
· Seven Years War (1755-63): 1 million, 300,000.
· French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars (1792-1802): Estimated 3-4 million.
· War of the Spanish Succession (1701-13): 1 million, 324,300.
· These were all non-religious wars.
· Let’s move into the 19th Century Slave Trade:
· Atlantic slave trade: ca. 1.6M transported and 2.5M deaths.
· Islamic slave trade: ca. 2M transported and 3M died.
· Venezuela, power struggles (1830-1903): 1 million.
· Colonial El Niño Famines (1876-1900): 31-61 million.
· American Civil War (1861-65): Over 600,000
· Paraguay, War of the Triple Alliance (1864-70): Over 1 million or more than 80% of its population
But, surely the enlightenment of the 20th Century saw more civilized and rational thinking by the scientifically and secular minded, right?
· WWI (1914-18)= 15 million (half of that is non-military death) and this is a low estimate. Add to that the people of the Russian Steppe region, estimated at 100,000.
· Russian Civil War (1917-22) = 9 million
· Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924-53) = 20-51 million killed by a decidedly and violently atheist regime.
· WWII (1937-45) = 55 million (yet another non-religious war)
· Post-War Expulsion of Germans from East Europe (1945-47) = 2 million, 100,000
· Chinese Civil War (1945-49) = 2 million, 500,000
· People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s regime (1949-1975) = 40 million (Does anyone out there want to try to argue that Mao was a Christian?)
· Tibet (1950 et seq.) = 600,000 (China imposing “atheism” on others)
· Korean War (1950-53) = 2 million, 800,000. (Communist, Atheists.)
· North Korea (1948 et seq.) = 1 million, 663,000 (not even warring, just imposing “atheism” on its own people.)
· Rwanda and Burundi (1959-95) = 1 million 350,000.
· Second Indochina War [including Vietnam] (1960-75) = 3 million, 500,000.
· Ethiopia (1962-92) = 1 million, 400,000.
· Afghanistan (1979-2001) = 1 million, 800,000 (Soviets trying to impose “atheism” again.)
· Sudan (1983 et seq.) = 1 million, 900,000 (no more slave trade deaths, so they start killing each other?)
· Kinshasa Congo (1998 et seq.) = 3 million 800,000.
Now, let’s discuss those evil religious folks and their wars. While there is no denying that deaths did in fact occur during wars that were either based on or fueled by religion, we simply cannot say that those wars caused “more deaths than any other,” if we are intellectually honest.
· Crusades (1095-1291) = 1-5 million. (Which can be argued all day long as a religious war, but even the most well known historians have shown evidence that this was more of a war over land, territories, and property of the region, than religion. And, if you’d like, put it back in, but I have taken roughly 6 pages of information concerning the Muslim aggression beginning in the 8th Century, that led up to The Crusades.
· Witch Hunts (1400-1800) = an estimated 20-100 thousand. Now, decidedly, this is a period of dark history for the churches in general.
· Spanish Inquisition (1478-1834) = estimated 32 thousand. Again, decidedly a Christian issue. But hardly illustrative of the assertion that Christians killed more people than any other religion or war.
I just can’t abide the assertions that Christians are to blame for all of the ills of the world. I also can’t be silent about the false comparison of the Islamic war on most of humanity with things like the settlement of America. It is simply a false assertion on its face.
To date, just since 9-11, Islamic terrorists have carried out more than 22,000 attacks in various countries.
The death toll for Islam, just 1945 to present in just their home region:
· Algeria: 100,00 (1990’s)
· Lebanon: 120,000 (70’s-90’s)
· Syria: 20,000 (just in 1982)
· Chad: 30,000 (1945-present)
· Sudan: 2.6 million (1950’s-present)
· Turkey: 20,000 (1945-present)
· Iraq: 1.5 million (1980’s-90’s)
· Tajikistan: 50,000 in (1990’s)
· Afghanistan 50,000 (still counting)
· Iran: 900,000 (1980’s)
· Bangladesh: 1.5 million (1970’s)
· Yemen: 150,000 (1960’s)
· Somalia and pirate raids: 150,000 (still counting)
· Indonesia: 400,000 (1960’s)
· East Timor Islands: 200,000 (1970’s-90’s)
So, if we are going to talk about deaths caused by religion, let’s really talk about it and not just a bunch of anti-Christian rhetoric.
Wars don’t just break out spontaneously out of nowhere, or because of religion, or of the supposed decline of religious hold over a place. Wars and conflicts are the direct result of the oppression of people or the direct attack on freedom, equality, honesty, and generosity).
In other words, poverty, oppression, and social injustice are the primary causes for conflict. The Islamic world makes this abundantly clear.
In many places throughout the Islamic World religious freedoms, women’s and gay rights are almost non-existent.
At the same time oppressive regimes greatly restrict the freedoms of speech, press, and expression, and the civil liberties of their people. These conditions make a perfect breeding ground for extremism. These conditions also contribute to regional conflicts and instability, and to the spread of violence and terrorism around the world.This brings me to point # 2.
“Religion has killed more people than any plague or disease.”
· Smallpox (430 BC? – 1979) Killed more than 300 million people worldwide in the 20th century alone, and most of the native inhabitants of the Americas.
· Spanish Flu (1918 - 1919) Killed 50 to 100 million people worldwide in less than 2 years.
· Black Death (1340 - 1771) Killed 75 million people worldwide.
· Malaria (1600 - today) Kills about 2 million people per year.
· AIDS (1981 - today) Killed 25 million people worldwide.
· Cholera (1817 - today) 8 pandemics; hundreds of thousands killed worldwide.
· Typhus (430 BC? - today) Killed 3 million people between 1918 and 1922 alone, and most of Napoleon’s soldiers on Russia
These figures are according the Center for Disease Control. If you hear an atheist or secularist spout point number 2, slap them for me, please. Clearly, from the above figures, there is only ONE religion that can claim that distinction.